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 on: November 17, 2009, 12:54:47 pm 
Started by dan p - Last post by dan p
 Hi to all , and the thief on the cross is saying some very interesting things .
 
 1) Most recognize that there is no water Baptism here and that proves that water does not save .

 2) Salvation has always been by FAITH as Hewbrews 11 , says by believeing what God commands at that point in time , like Moses, Noah and the like .

 3) But I believe that by the thiefs answers that he is a Jew and some say that there were actually 4 that were crucfied with Christ and not just 2 .

 4) First , we know that he believed in God , Luke 23:40 .

 5) Secondly , he believed in a bodily Resurrection of the DEAD , for he spoke to the Lord about  " me " and " thou " and their life after death , Luke 23:42 .

 6) Thirdly , his words " remember me when THOU COMEST into thy Kingdom  , Luke 23:42 prove that he believed in the Second Coming . So that probably , means that he was familiar with the Lord's teaching , that would be true of a Jew .

 7) Fourth , he knew that the Lord would have a " Kingdom " , Luke 23:42 , again suggesting that the malefactor was already familiar with His teaching .

 Cool A Gentiles would NOT be familiar with Israel's hope .


 9) There are NO Christians here and it is Jews only , nor is the Body of Christ seen at this point in time .

10) The Body of Christ is not yet seen and it will not be seen until the Apostle of Grace reveals that their is ONE .




















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 on: November 12, 2009, 04:30:20 pm 
Started by herald - Last post by herald
Paul raised Eutychus from the dead in Acts 20:9-12. When I was in Spain, I held hands with a group of three and raised a man from the dead.  He was at the bottom of a lake, and they failed to revive him. By the power of the Holy Spirit, I have healed the sick, cast out demons, and raised a man from the dead.

My friend Pam was molested by her father at age four.  She grew up to be a witch.  She reversed a spell in my son's room.  My daughter heard noises coming from his room, and opened the door.  She saw toys flying around the room.  The next day, we anointed the room with oil, and took authority over the spirits.

She came to me with blood oozing from her eyes, her nose, her ears and her mouth.  She asked me to pray for her, I did, and Jesus healed her.

Although, I come from an extended family of six, soon to be seven doctors, five nurses, one veterinarian and one chemical engineer, Jesus has been my Healer for forty-one years.  He not only bore our sin, He also bore our sickness and pain.  I recommend the book, Christ,The Healer, by F.F. Bosworth.  He had a healing ministry and teaches out of the Scripture on divine healing.

When my daughter broke out in hives, her grandfather, a doctor, told her to abstain from certain foods.  My children just laughed and said, "Jesus will heal her." And He did!!!

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 on: November 12, 2009, 03:30:37 pm 
Started by herald - Last post by dan p
1.   Water turned into wine. John 2:6-10.
2.   Nobleman's son healed. John 4:46-53.
3.   Centurion's servant healed. Matt 9:5-13.
4.   Draughts of fish. Lu 5:4-6;John 21:6.
5.   Devils cast out. Matt8:28-32;9:32,33;15:22-28;17:14-18;Mk 1:23-27.
6.   Peter's wife's mother healed. Matt 8:14,15.
7.   Lepers cleansed. Matt 8:3;Lu 17:14.
8.   Paralytic healed. Mk 2:3-12,
9.   Withered hand restored. Matt 12:10-13.
10.  Impotent man healed. John 5:5-9.
11.  The dead raised to life. Matt 9:18;Lu 7:12-15;John 11:11-44.
12.  Issue of blood stopped. Matt 9:20-22.
13.  The blind restored to sight. Matt 9:27-30;Mk 8:22-25;John 9"1-7.
14.  The deaf and mute healed. Mk 7:32-35.
15.  The multitude fed. Matt 14:15-21;15:32-38.
16.  Jesus walking on the sea. Matt 14:25-27.
17.  Peter walking on the sea. Matt 14:29.
18.  Tempest stilled. Matt 8:23-26;14:32.
19.  Sudden arrival of the ship. John 6:21.
20.  Tribute money. Matt 17:27.
21.  Woman healed of infirmity. Lu 13:11-13.
22.  Dropsy cured. Lu 14:2-4.
23.  Fig tree blighted. Matt 21:19.
24.  Malchus healed. Lu 22:50,51.
25.  Performed before the messengers of John. Lu 7:21,22.
26.  Many and diverse diseases healed. Matt 4:23,24;14:14;15:30;Mk 1:34;Lu 6:17-19.
27.  Jesus's transfiguration. Matt 17:1-8.
28.  Jesus's resurrection. Lu 24:6;John 10:18.
29.  Jesus appeared to His disciples, the doors being shut. John 20:19.
30.  Jesus's ascension. Acts 1:9.

 



 Hi herald , and lets also remember that the disciple also did many miracles , and that Paul also did mamy more than what the Apostles ever did . Good to see you posting more , dan p










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 on: November 11, 2009, 03:34:24 pm 
Started by herald - Last post by herald
1....   Water turned into wine. John 2:6-10.
2....   Nobleman's son healed. John 4:46-53.
3....   Centurion's servant healed. Matt 9:5-13.
4....   Draughts of fish. Lu 5:4-6;John 21:6.
5....   Devils cast out. Matt8:28-32;9:32,33;15:22-28;17:14-18;Mk 1:23-27.
6....   Peter's wife's mother healed. Matt 8:14,15.
7....   Lepers cleansed. Matt 8:3;Lu 17:14.
8....   Paralytic healed. Mk 2:3-12,
9....   Withered hand restored. Matt 12:10-13.
10...  Impotent man healed. John 5:5-9.
11...  The dead raised to life. Matt 9:18;Lu 7:12-15;John 11:11-44.
12...  Issue of blood stopped. Matt 9:20-22.
13...  The blind restored to sight. Matt 9:27-30;Mk 8:22-25;John 9"1-7.
14...  The deaf and mute healed. Mk 7:32-35.
15...  The multitude fed. Matt 14:15-21;15:32-38.
16...  Jesus walking on the sea. Matt 14:25-27.
17...  Peter walking on the sea. Matt 14:29.
18...  Tempest stilled. Matt 8:23-26;14:32.
19...  Sudden arrival of the ship. John 6:21.
20...  Tribute money. Matt 17:27.
21...  Woman healed of infirmity. Lu 13:11-13.
22...  Dropsy cured. Lu 14:2-4.
23...  Fig tree blighted. Matt 21:19.
24...  Malchus healed. Lu 22:50,51.
25...  Performed before the messengers of John. Lu 7:21,22.
26...  Many and diverse diseases healed. Matt 4:23,24;14:14;15:30;Mk 1:34;Lu 6:17-19.
27...  Jesus's transfiguration. Matt 17:1-8.
28...  Jesus's resurrection. Lu 24:6;John 10:18.
29...  Jesus appeared to His disciples, the doors being shut. John 20:19.
30...  Jesus's ascension. Acts 1:9.

 


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 on: November 07, 2009, 03:50:30 pm 
Started by dan p - Last post by dan p
Yes NTS you make good points I almost forgot about when I was a dispensationalist. I was told you cannot interpret the Bible first but that you had to hold to dispensationalism and then you can come into the water and we'll (dispensational teachings) tell you what to believe. I believe dispensationalism is dying out because there are no major exegetical dispensational scholars writing books. Except for the likes of Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries but nobody takes these guys seriously anymore if they remember all their prophesies about endtimes and antichrist have failed. Dear Dan P., as I said Revelation was written for us so I am a futurist when it comes to the second comming of Christ and the eternal state that the book communicates.

 Hi jonart , I do not read the likes of Hal Lindsey or Grant Jeffries and there are many who say that they are Dispensationalists , but are not .

 There are Acts 2 , believers , but they are NOT Dispensational .

 They only ones who are dispensationalists are Acts 9 , 11 , 13 , 28 .

 The reason that Acts 2 are not dispensational , is because they begin the Body of Christ at the Day of Pentecost .

 The others begin it with the Apostle Paul .

 Most of the so-called Dispensatioalists are Acts 2 .

 And we have in my opinion better scholarship than the rest and their are Theological schools that teach Dispensational truth , like in Grants Pass , Oregon , St Louis , Mo  and Grandrapids MI , some in the Phillipines , and in Brazil , just off the top of my head , and we have not talked about literature that is sent everywhere .






























 6 
 on: November 07, 2009, 10:23:11 am 
Started by dan p - Last post by jonart
Yes NTS you make good points I almost forgot about when I was a dispensationalist. I was told you cannot interpret the Bible first but that you had to hold to dispensationalism and then you can come into the water and we'll (dispensational teachings) tell you what to believe. I believe dispensationalism is dying out because there are no major exegetical dispensational scholars writing books. Except for the likes of Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries but nobody takes these guys seriously anymore if they remember all their prophesies about endtimes and antichrist have failed. Dear Dan P., as I said Revelation was written for us so I am a futurist when it comes to the second comming of Christ and the eternal state that the book communicates.

 7 
 on: November 06, 2009, 04:50:31 pm 
Started by dan p - Last post by NTStudent
I tried to tell you, Jonart. The historical background of the book--i.e., that it was written to actual churches with actual problems at the time of its writing and that it was understood as such for almost the first 1500 years of church history until some Jesuits invented the futurist interpretation that dispensationalists like DanP and Daniel hold to via adoption--is inconsequential in the face of the new invented context of 19th century dispensational fantasy. You and I need to stop looking at the first century and trust the inventive genius of the dispensational movement.

 8 
 on: November 06, 2009, 10:59:01 am 
Started by dan p - Last post by dan p
Dear Dan P.; Thanks for taking me seriously but don't take NTS seriously. The letters John wrote to the seven churches were to them specificaly and not to us 2000 years later. These were historical Christian churches who were going through persecution. The letters are for us but not to us. You have to remember that #1 the book was written before the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D.70 and #2 the book of Revelation has 404 verses and 278 of those 404 verses are allusions to the Old Testament. So if you don't have a good grasp on the Old Testament and it's symbolic meaning John uses you will get all kinds of weird interpretations like Tim Lahaye communicates in the "Left Behind" series.

 Hi jonart , and to me their are many reasons that I believe the Book is yet future .
 #1 , Most of these cities , NO letter was written to them .
 #2 , Then Rev 1:7 , is also found in the Old Testament , the one that they Pierced on the cross and this refrences the Jews .
 #3 , The Nicolaitanes are mentioned in Ephesus and Pergamos Assemblies , Rev 2:15 , and who are they Huh
 #4 , Do you hear about that in the Pulpit Huh
 #5 , Then in Rev3:9 the CONTEXT is Jewish , who say they are Jews but are not , But Christ will come  (  when is this timeline to happen )  and make them to worship before thy FEET .
 #6 , The only way for you is to say that it already happened !!!








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 on: November 06, 2009, 10:27:43 am 
Started by dan p - Last post by jonart
Dear Dan P.; Thanks for taking me seriously but don't take NTS seriously. The letters John wrote to the seven churches were to them specificaly and not to us 2000 years later. These were historical Christian churches who were going through persecution. The letters are for us but not to us. You have to remember that #1 the book was written before the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D.70 and #2 the book of Revelation has 404 verses and 278 of those 404 verses are allusions to the Old Testament. So if you don't have a good grasp on the Old Testament and it's symbolic meaning John uses you will get all kinds of weird interpretations like Tim Lahaye communicates in the "Left Behind" series.

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 on: November 05, 2009, 12:44:08 pm 
Started by dan p - Last post by dan p
Again, you are just being silly, Jonart. Things like paying attention to good interpretive principles or discovering how Scripture was understood and used from the very earliest records are totally beside the point. What one must ONLY do is grasp hold of 19th century inventions, then reinterpret scripture in order to twist it (beyond all recognition, given the opening salvo in this thread) to fit that 19th century lunacy.

 Hi NTS , and I was taking jonart answer seriously and I do not look at him as silly .

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