The Greatest Error of Christianity

[Andy1945]

I would like to give a short and simple account of what I believe happened 2,000 years ago, and which might account for many of the various and somewhat confused resurrection stories later written.

During the lifetime of Jesus, there were basically two categories of follower / disciple. Firstly, there were the “outsiders” or “believers”,  i.e. those who listened to His words and accepted and followed Him, and had a great respect and adoration for Him, but who did not actually receive the Sacred Gift of Gnosis – Initiation into the Mysteries of God (= the 'Fire' Baptism - of Divine Light) – and therefore did not understand about the continual succession of Masters / Prophets / Messiahs / Avatars who are required to reveal those Mysteries (e.g. the 'succession of Melchizedek').

Then there was the “inner core” of “gnostics”,  i.e. those (by comparison, few in number) who were deemed worthy to be initiated into the Sacred Mysteries, and who thus understood the process of revelation (personal initiation) through a continuous line of living Masters.

When Jesus died, His initiated disciples would know that God would appoint another in His place, and thus would seek to follow Him (the new Master). But the vast majority (i.e. those “outsiders” / ”believers” who were so attached to the persona of Jesus that they did not accept or even seek for a new living Master) merely held on to cherished memories of their now deceased Master, and passed on stories of His life to others.

Something obviously happened which gave rise to the story of Jesus' own resurrection. Perhaps the Sanhedrin or Roman authorities removed Jesus' body from its tomb in order to avoid hero / martyr worship at the grave. If that was the case, it obviously backfired, because stories soon evolved about Jesus coming back to life and leaving the tomb of His own accord. As these stories are orally related from one to another, and from generation to generation, they become enhanced, expanded, and embellished (e.g. with many miracles and wonders, which simple, immature people like to hear). The true story of the resurrected "CHRIST SPIRIT" into a new Body - a new Master - was intermingled with the many ancient myths and legends of previous divine men resurrecting.

Those few genuine and true disciples of the living Master (the genuine Gnostics) - those who knew the Truth - were soon ignored and rejected by the majority (emerging orthodoxy), who eventually turned on them and declared them to be heretics for their Truth.

This is a very basic account of how I explain this error of Christianity.

[daniel]

Andy you could not have it more wrong.

Did the church go back and rewrite books which are hundreds of years older then Jesus also?  Did they convince the
Jews they need to rewrite the prophets?

This how ridiculous your words are?  Read Isaiah 53, written 700 years before Jesus.
The Messiah died for your sins.  The Gnostics were simply trying to keep the Greek pagan faith, by rewriting it
with a Judea/Christian package.

Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked-But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53  700 B.C.


Read Zechariah 12:9-10 written 520 years before Jesus was even born, yet it refers to his Second Coming, when the nation of Israel will come to salvation.

9 "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:9-10

Were the Jews in on the Christian conspiracy against the Gnostics?  Andy do a little research.  The Gnostic were Greek sex addicts who tried to preserve their worship of the Aphrodite and the other gods and goddesses.  Revelation talks about their sexual perversions.  Even the DaVinci Code incorporates it. 

The Jesus of the Gnostics is another Jesus.  He is not the Jesus of the Bible
Come to Christ Andy, Jesus is your only hope.

[Andy1945]

Andy you could not have it more wrong.

Did the church go back and rewrite books which are hundreds of years older then Jesus also?  Did they convince the
Jews they need to rewrite the prophets?

This how ridiculous your words are?  Read Isaiah 53, written 700 years before Jesus.
The Messiah died for your sins.  The Gnostics were simply trying to keep the Greek pagan faith, by rewriting it
with a Judea/Christian package.

Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked-But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53  700 B.C.


Read Zechariah 12:9-10 written 520 years before Jesus was even born, yet it refers to his Second Coming, when the nation of Israel will come to salvation.

9 "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:9-10

Were the Jews in on the Christian conspiracy against the Gnostics?  Andy do a little research.  The Gnostic were Greek sex addicts who tried to preserve their worship of the Aphrodite and the other gods and goddesses.  Revelation talks about their sexual perversions.  Even the DaVinci Code incorporates it. 

The Jesus of the Gnostics is another Jesus.  He is not the Jesus of the Bible
Come to Christ Andy, Jesus is your only hope.

There are no passages in the OT that specifically refer to Yehoshua (Jesus).  These are assumed to refer to Jesus by Christians only - not by Jews.  They mostly refer to living contemporaries of the particular author, not to someone in a distant future.

Peace & Love 

[daniel]

Andy,

If you died today, do you know what would happen to you?

Just curious, from your Gnostic perspective, have you broken through the 7-levels to meet the Mother Goddess, Sophia?

Like your Da Vinci code character?

Do you even know what the Gnostics believe?

Daniel

[Andy1945]

Andy,

If you died today, do you know what would happen to you?

Just curious, from your Gnostic perspective, have you broken through the 7-levels to meet the Mother Goddess, Sophia?

Like your Da Vinci code character?

Do you even know what the Gnostics believe?

Daniel

Once again you are displaying your complete ignorance of the subject.  Do you even know what the word GNOSIS means?  It means 'SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE', i.e. Knowledge of the Mysteries of God - nothing more and nothing less; therefore a GENUINE Gnostic is one who KNOWS God/Elohim, and the living Master Yahweh - not one who believes!

The Da Vinci Code is a fictional story written to make money - not truth!  How can you connect such nonsense to true Gnosis?

And the pseudo-gnostic sects of Christianity are just as bad.

Peace, Love, & Understanding 

 

[Battlefield_1942]

Andy are you a religious zealot?
or are you just trying to get people riled up

[Andy1945]

Andy are you a religious zealot?
or are you just trying to get people riled up

Neither.  I am just trying to explain the TRUTH - that is: SPIRITUAL TRUTH!  Religion, and all it's blind beliefs, have been corrupting the minds of humanity for far too long - something must change soon before it is too late.  Soon the religious fanatics will have nuclear weapons - then what will we do?



 

[daniel]

Andy,

What truth are you trying to explain?  You attack Christianity, defend Gnosticism, and you dont even know what they believe?

Other then giving your Dan Brown Gnostic oneliners, you have said very little.

[Sherbear]

Hi Andy....
    Allow me to tell you a story about how I came to Jesus Christ.  4 years ago, I had a strange dream that I was a little girl about 5 yrs of age.  I was sitting on the front porch of a house with none other than Jesus Christ.  Although, I couldn't see his face, He taught me something I had never known before.  He opened this big white Bible and showed me The Lord's prayer!  I had never read the Bible before, nor said this prayer before.  He told me as long as I said this prayer every night, that he would watch over me for he found favor in me.  What was amazing was the fact that after 30 minutes after waking up and in utter shock ...... I HAD A HEART ATTACK!!! According to the Docs & lab results.  I SHOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED IT.

If you want true Gnosis Andy, here is the best advice.  Leave the seducing doctrines alone and stick strictly with what is in the Bible.  I have read those in the Nag Hammadi Library and they contradict what is in the Bible. 

Your faith, love, hope and trust should be in the Almighty Yhwh and his son Jesus Christ.   

[831]

Hi All.

I am new to this site & so do not know that much about it, after saying this I would like to add something to this thread or to be exact the person who started this thread Andy you make you comment on what you & you alone believe what happened to Jesus at the time of his death & what you state totally unprovable resurrection.  Can I please ask that you go to these sites that I am about to give you links for.  Each & every one of them gives proof that Jesus did in fact Raise from the dead & he is in fact who he says he is.  I get the impression that you are either a free thinker who if given the fact & proof & evidence will accept these things or that you have such a hatred of Christianity, that you have tried in your own mind to come up with a scenario that shows Jesus could not have done as is stated in the Bible.  Either way sir this is proof, facts, evidence, you will if you are of the latter as stated, will try to claim otherwise.  But that is not possible facts & facts & proof is proof & no matter how much you may bury your head in the sand & hum as loud as you wish so that you can not here what is being told you.  These things do not nor will they ever change the truth, Here are those links sir.  I do hope that you are of a real open mind & that when you are given fact you will accept them for what they are, the truth.

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

http://godisimaginary.com/i15.htm

http://www.gospelway.com/god/resurrection_evidence.php

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Jehovah/Resurrection_Proof.html

http://www.greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch20/default.htm

http://y-jesus.com/body_count1.php?gclid=CIW3_cq38o4CFQ0eEgodPXxcEA

http://www.jesusisreal.org/index.htm

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Jesus_resurrection.htm

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/

Also I would like to point you to these links as well showing that Jesus is in fact talked about in the old testament & by name at that.

http://www.eadshome.com/Jesuslessons.htm

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/yhwh.htm

http://www.christadelphia.org/pamphlet/christ.htm

http://www.cynet.com/Jesus/prophecy/ntquoted.htm

I am sure that this will be more than enough to show you that what you have said is just not true nor can it ever be true.  As I said I do hope that you are someone that once given factual evidence that what you have been saying is not true, that you will after checking that evidence be a real man & accept that you where in fact wrong on this occasion.  If on the other had you do have such a hatred of Christianity I will be praying for you.  As Daniel said to you ( If you died today, do you know what would happen to you? )

Well sir as you will be able to see from the links I have given you, this is not a fairy tail, the word of God is in fact all true & what you believe now will reflect on where you will spend the rest of eternity, I pray it is & will be with our Lord & saviour Jesus.

God Bless you all
831

P.S I do hope that you do not mind the amount I posted on this first time, But I did think that it was all required.

[JoeChristian]

Its the opposite, the Gnostics was a Satanic attempt to stop Christianity.
The early Christians saw if for what it was and exposed it.

People like you are just trying to keep Satan's work alive

[WΔr Ωf ╦Ħ≡ WΩrdŞ]

I would like to give a short and simple account of what I believe happened 2,000 years ago, and which might account for many of the various and somewhat confused resurrection stories later written.

During the lifetime of Jesus, there were basically two categories of follower / disciple. Firstly, there were the “outsiders” or “believers”,  i.e. those who listened to His words and accepted and followed Him, and had a great respect and adoration for Him, but who did not actually receive the Sacred Gift of Gnosis – Initiation into the Mysteries of God (= the 'Fire' Baptism - of Divine Light) – and therefore did not understand about the continual succession of Masters / Prophets / Messiahs / Avatars who are required to reveal those Mysteries (e.g. the 'succession of Melchizedek').

Then there was the “inner core” of “gnostics”,  i.e. those (by comparison, few in number) who were deemed worthy to be initiated into the Sacred Mysteries, and who thus understood the process of revelation (personal initiation) through a continuous line of living Masters.

When Jesus died, His initiated disciples would know that God would appoint another in His place, and thus would seek to follow Him (the new Master). But the vast majority (i.e. those “outsiders” / ”believers” who were so attached to the persona of Jesus that they did not accept or even seek for a new living Master) merely held on to cherished memories of their now deceased Master, and passed on stories of His life to others.

Something obviously happened which gave rise to the story of Jesus' own resurrection. Perhaps the Sanhedrin or Roman authorities removed Jesus' body from its tomb in order to avoid hero / martyr worship at the grave. If that was the case, it obviously backfired, because stories soon evolved about Jesus coming back to life and leaving the tomb of His own accord. As these stories are orally related from one to another, and from generation to generation, they become enhanced, expanded, and embellished (e.g. with many miracles and wonders, which simple, immature people like to hear). The true story of the resurrected "CHRIST SPIRIT" into a new Body - a new Master - was intermingled with the many ancient myths and legends of previous divine men resurrecting.

Those few genuine and true disciples of the living Master (the genuine Gnostics) - those who knew the Truth - were soon ignored and rejected by the majority (emerging orthodoxy), who eventually turned on them and declared them to be heretics for their Truth.

This is a very basic account of how I explain this error of Christianity.

This is utter garbage

[Andy1945]

People like you are just trying to keep Satan's work alive

I would say that Spiritually ignorant people, like you have clearly shown yourself to be, are succeeding in keeping satan's work alive!  Just look at the world you live in - satan's carnal kingdom!

[eibbora]

Theirs to many good people in the world Jesus loves everyone no matter what we do he will forgive us! But will you except it?

[Andy1945]

Theirs [There's] to [too] many good people in the world [.] Jesus loves everyone [,] no matter what we do he will forgive us! But will you except it?

Matt 7:19-23  "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.  'Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven.  Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’  Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers'!"

The question is: WILL YOU ACCEPT IT?