KILLING OF THE INFANTS

[Andy1945]

At the birth of Jesus, we are told in the NT: "When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi." (MATT.2:16).

Now, if this was true, it would amount to an outrage amongst the whole Jewish population of the surrounding areas and far beyond! Something akin to the holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis (perhaps not on such an enormous scale, but nevertheless totally outrageous and memorable), and certainly not something which would be unrecorded or forgotten by the Jews! However, Jewish history knows nothing of this incident - WHY???

Is it yet another Christian lie, another Biblical fabrication? 

[JoeChristian]

Thank you Andy,

For finally revealing yourself, you DON'T BELIEVE the Bible, you dont know the God the Bible.
You don't even know the made up Gnostic god you claim to worship. 

Thank you for revealing yourself.... I am sure you can turn to the false gospel of Thomas and get your answer

[831]

Hi All.

You are so right Joe, he has finally let his shield down & shown his true identity & belief.  So as you have said he can now go to his false Gospels of Thomas & of Judas & all the others.  From those as they show the special Knowledge don't they, you can get the answer to your question Andy1945.

Also as we as you have clearly stated do not know the Bible, there is no way that any of us could tell you the answer to that question, is there.  You have shown your true colours sir by asking the question you have, any true Bible believing Christian would know the answer to this, so you can again I am sure call us all, insult us all, tel us just how silly we all are & that our knowledge of the word of the one true God is nil.

As I have said before I will be praying for you, that your eyes, ears, heart & mind be opened to the truth of our One true saviour, Jesus Christ.  Who is the second person in the Triune Godhead, who has always existed, who made the heavens & the Earth & that lives upon it.  Jesus who shed his precious Blood so that we could all be saved, the only true sacrifice that God could accept, that would clean us all from sin.  Open your eyes to the truth, Jesus always had his Deity from the day he was born to the day he died.  It did not come upon him at his baptism, nor did it leave him before he died.  The word of God the Bible tell all we need to know, no other book, no other knowledge, just that & anyone who tries to add anything to that Book, it says in Rev 22, 18 I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.


So open your eyes to the truth.

God Bless you all
831

[Andy1945]

At the birth of Jesus, we are told in the NT: "When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi." (MATT.2:16).

Now, if this was true, it would amount to an outrage amongst the whole Jewish population of the surrounding areas and far beyond! Something akin to the holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis (perhaps not on such an enormous scale, but nevertheless totally outrageous and memorable), and certainly not something which would be unrecorded or forgotten by the Jews! However, Jewish history knows nothing of this incident - WHY???

Is it yet another Christian lie, another Biblical fabrication? 

Isn't it clever the way satan's disciples avoid answering the difficult questions which reveal their books to be in error.  They always turn everything backward to try to avoid the TRUTH.

Just answer the question posed here ~ or start a new thread of your own.

But you cannot, can you.

[831]

Hi All.

There is only one disciple of helel here on this forum & that is Andy1945.  Also as we have said in the last post, you have proven by what you have said that you are not a believer of the one true God of the Bible.

You show it even more by the quote you use at the bottom of your posts, the Gospel of Philip.  There is no Gospel of Philip sir, it does not exist as I said in my last post note what it says in Rev & I quote again: Rev 22, 18 I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.


The Bible is 66 Books that is all, no more than that.  You need to do your research sir, you claim your knowledge & intellect.  Yet you do not know basic things about the word of God.  You can make twisted statements like you have in your last post about none answered questions.  But anyone who may be reading this can clearly see who is the one not answering here & that is you sir.  All you are doing & keep doing is showing yourself up just for what you are, so I would suggest that you grow up, accept that you have shown yourself up just for what you are & if you wish to be saved & truly go to heaven, listen to what you are being told here because its the truth & it will save you.  Not the silly mumbo jumbo that you think you know now.

God Bless you all.
831

[JoeChristian]

Andy,

do the research, the Gnostics worshiped the serpent of the Bible, its ok if you want to worship the Devil, that your choice.  But please dont act like you worship the God of the Bible, and you take the Bible as the WORD of God, because you don't.

We are just calling a Satan/Serpent Worshiper what he really is, you for some reason, (Personally I just dont think you know, and are playing a game), that your Gnostic god is infact Satan.  There were the early Satan worshpers by their own admission.  So please don't deny your god....be proud of your home in Hell...  Now personally, I hope you repent, and come to salvation through Jesus Christ, but the choice is yours.  I will not let you fool people, if I can help it.

[Battlefield_1942]

Isn't that what happens around the world with abortion,
Does anybody make a fuss??   Dont think so

[Andy1945]

At the birth of Jesus, we are told in the NT: "When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi." (MATT.2:16).

Now, if this was true, it would amount to an outrage amongst the whole Jewish population of the surrounding areas and far beyond! Something akin to the holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis (perhaps not on such an enormous scale, but nevertheless totally outrageous and memorable), and certainly not something which would be unrecorded or forgotten by the Jews! However, Jewish history knows nothing of this incident - WHY???

Is it yet another Christian lie, another Biblical fabrication? 

Why are you so-called "Christians" STILL avoiding my original QUESTION ~ WHY DO THE JEWS HAVE NO RECORD OF THE EVENT - NO RECOLLECTION WHATSOEVER?!?

And don't tell me that they had no one to record it - the Jews had many scribes and historians, men like Josephus, and Philo Judaeus (who was a contemporary of Jesus).

Come, now, answer the question, give us your thoughts on the subject at hand.  Or leave this thread to those with a little intelligence.

[Andy1945]

Isn't that what happens around the world with abortion,
Does anybody make a fuss??   Dont think so

You don't think that anyone makes a fuss about abortion?!  You have not seen any books and other articles written on the subject?  You have seen no demonstrations against this evil practice?  ARE YOU BLIND?

[831]

Hi All.

You keep asking this same question, but it has been answered, although not as you would have liked.  I quote myself: any true Bible believing Christian would know the answer to this, so you can again I am sure call us all, insult us all, tell us just how silly we all are & that our knowledge of the word of the one true God is nil.

So given the so called extra knowledge that you as a gnostic is supposed to have, I would have thought that you would know the answer to this question, as we all know it.  But as you have said yourself, our knowledge of the Bible is nil, we are silly, daft, stupid, we do not know the Bible or what it says or means, you yourself have insinuated this.

So going off that fact & as I said the so called extra knowledge that you as a gnostic have.  You should be able to answer that question yourself or have the answer to that in the special knowledge you supposedly hold.   So why should we who by your own statements know nothing of the Bible, tell you what we know.  You having all this special knowledge should be telling us, so please tell us the answer to this question & in doing so show us this special knowledge that you are supposed to have.

Or is that to hard for you to do, would you be breaking some gnostic code of silence by doing that.  It matters not how many times you try to twist words & meanings & make out it is us who will not answer questions, it is clearly you who will not do so.  Also your arrogance comes over so strongly, that with your blatant hatred of Christianity & the true God of the Bible.  Even your answer to battlefield shows that hatred & arrogance, your posts wreak of it.

As Joe has stated you have shown that by your own twisting of words & meanings, that you can not be nor ever could be a true believer of the true Triune God of the Bible.  Gnosticm is the worship of satan no other, you have been taken in by the same lies he has told all through the life of mankind.  Open your eyes man!!!!! & answer the question that Joe asked of you, as we have answered your question though not in a way that you would like, it has however been answered.

So answer Joe's question & be truthful for once, no matter what you say or do anyone reading this thread can clearly see that you are not nor could you ever be a true Christian, so you can shout, you can scream, you can call names, you can insult, you can do anything you like but it does not change that fact sir, you have been found out for what you are.  I really do feel for you, to be going to hell for all eternity, that must be awful, though that is your choice.  But to try to take others with you, that hatred of Christianity you have must be burning you up.

We will keep praying for you & boy do you need it.

God Bless all
831

[Andy1945]

Hi 831

No I am not a Christian, and I have never claimed to be one, AND, for your information, NOR WAS JESUS!  In fact, Jesus would never have even heard of this religion, which was invented by Paul after Jesus' death.  It would better be called Paulism!

[831]

Hi All.

There we go again, that hatred just spills out of your mouth.  It is so apparent, its like venom.  The name Christian or word Christian is one who follows the Christ, IE: Jesus.  Being someone who claims to hold some kind of special knowledge, I would have thought something as simple as that would have been known by you.  But as I said that hatred of Christianity & therefor Jesus by yourself screams from the page.

You have a very bad problem there sir, You need to deal with this hatred that seems to be boiling up within you.  Both myself & Joe have done nothing but quote from the Bible ( by the way that is 66 books & no more ) your quotes on the other hand are not from the Bible IE: Philip, Barnabas & the rest, where you brought up as a Catholic by chance as they are all in the Apocrypha, but again as I said not in the true Bible.

You try at twisting the name Christian is a very poor one at that & falls very quickly, I would have though you smarter than that, but it appears that I was wrong, you are not.  You are as has been said by Joe showing your true colours & that is coming through by your anger & hatred of us & Jesus, hence God as well.  You call us & our knowledge into question, but in calling what we have said into question you are not arguing with us, you are in fact arguing with God himself as all we have done is to quote his words.

As Joe has said you need to realise that you are not worshipping the one true God, but in fact satan, the dragon, the serpent, the god of this word.  From what you have said you have clearly shown by what you have told us, you have been taken in by the lies of this evil vile creature.  Open your eyes, ears, heart & mind to the truth of what we have told you & shown you.  Accept Jesus the one true Saviour into your life & heart now, until you do this you are lost.

You have lots of questions that you seem to ask, well go to Ariel Ministries that is run by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, I am sure that the questions you ask can be answered by this man.  I would suggest that before you do anything like this, that you deal with this evil anger that you have within you.  As I said we will keep praying for you, boy do you need it.

God Bless all.
831

[Andy1945]

Y a a a a a a w w w n n n ! ! ! !

You're hallucinating again.  There was no anger or venom in my post - just simple truth!!!

Perhaps you should study where your false beliefs come from, before criticizing others.

[831]

Hi All.

Both Joe & myself have done nothing but quote from the one true word of God, The Bible.  66 Books that have been proven over many years through many forms of investigation.  Jesus is God, he has always been there from the very start of creation to now, he created the world we live in & also created man kind.  Here are some quotes from the Bible that show this that Jesus is in fact God.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)
 
Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”
 
Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)
 
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
 
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
 
John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
 
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”
 
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
 
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
 
John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
 
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
 
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
 
Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
 
Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)
 
Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
 
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
 
Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
 
Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
 
2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
 
Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
 
Hebrews 2:17,18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15,16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”
 
He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”
Romans 5:8 - “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

As for your statement of our false faith I would like to quote this (1 Corinthians 1:27).

If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and obey the gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.

Your claim is feeble to say the least, The remarkable evidence of Bible prophecies that have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins. This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later.

There are extensive prophecies dealing with individual nations and cities and with the course of history in general, all of which have been literally fulfilled. More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Christ Himself at His first coming. Other prophecies deal with the spread of Christianity, as well as various false religions, and many other subjects.

There is no other book, ancient or modern, like this. The vague, and usually erroneous, prophecies of people like Jeanne Dixon, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and others like them are not in the same category at all, and neither are other religious books such as the Koran, the Confucian Analects, and similar religious writings. Only the Bible manifests this remarkable prophetic evidence, and it does so on such a tremendous scale as to render completely absurd any explanation other than divine revelation.

I have tried yet again to show you the truth of the word of God & yet again I find that I am just waisting my time & breath.  There is only one person who is hallucinating here sir & that is you big time.  You are so blind to the truth of the word of God, the anger I spoke of is what is blinding you.  I am doing now what I said I would do the first time.  You are being brushed from my feel sir, I will not answer you again as I will not waist my time with you.  You are lost & will be going with your god into the lake of fire, unless you repent before Jesus & ask for forgiveness, that is your only hope though I guess that you will never take it.  I pray that you are not in the hottest part of this terrible place.

God Bless all.
831

[Andy1945]

Hi All.

Both Joe & myself have done nothing but quote from the one true word of God, The Bible.

Perhaps if you understood anything about the ancient and original languages of the Bible (Hebrew & Greek) you would understand that the so-called WORD (Greek = Logos) which was "AT THE BEGINNING" (i.e. before paper, ink, or any human language ~ see John 1:1) has nothing to do with written or spoken "words" - and does not refer in any way to any books (including the Bible) or speech!

The Word (Logos) is the primordial ESSENCE OF ELOHIM, and is purely SPIRITUAL!  But, I guess, this is too much for you to comprehend, just like the Pharisees of Jesus' day could not comprehend the SPIRIT.