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IF thy eye offend thee then pluck it out what is jesus saying here are we to do this to enter heaven
I dont want to serve a god that expects that
MY WHOLE FAITH DEPENDS ON AN ANSWER!
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 05:23:17 pm » |
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This is a textbook example of what is called Semitic hyperbole--which is another way of saying that the Jews were fond of extreme hyperbole. It is a type of symbolic language (don't tell Dan) that is used to demonstrate the seriousness of the issue involved.
Of course, if you are dispensational, this is pre-rejection of Messiah by the Jews, so it doesn't apply to the church anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 05:29:28 pm » |
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FORGET THE JEWS these are the words of jesus if im to follow a GOD I want to know if this is to be a literal
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 05:31:41 pm » |
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NO--not literal. Semitic hyperbole (a type of symbolism)
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 05:34:53 pm » |
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why couldnt jesus just say then what was meant to be understood
I think my faith is gone through confusion.
I thought god was meant to say what he wanted to say without all these different agendas.
LITERAL SYMBOLIC WHO CARES ANYMORE.
I thought by engaging on this forum my faith would increase but unfortunately its been destroyed.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 05:39:55 pm » |
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Because, contrary to Darby, Jesus knew that the people he was talking to would understand what He was saying, and that He was using hyperbole. That is why it is important that we understand Scripture first in its original context and then apply it to our own. It is an interpretive error to start from our own context to figure out what a text means.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 05:55:30 pm » |
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Part of the problem NP, is that someone has sold you on the idea that the only way God can communicate truth is by speaking literally. That is just not the case. The good thing about Christianity, my friend, is that you are saved by faith in Christ, not by what you believe about any particular doctrine. Cling to Jesus, confess your sins, and allow God's grace to carry you.
My suggestion: get Simply Christian by N.T. Wright and start reading.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 06:02:04 pm » |
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NO its ok I will find my own God one thats straight forward and makes sense
I think human compassion is the way forward and respecting our fellow man
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 06:07:18 pm » |
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He makes sense if you take time to learn.
Go to an Alpha course. Read some introductory works. Learn the basics better. And read Wright--I'm telling you--he will make things understandable.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 06:11:33 pm » |
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It seems to me we make the bible say what we want it to say
We therefore create our own god its no wonder the christian world is misunderstood and in a mess
Even you and Daniel cant agree who both have great knowledge how then do you expect people to gain a knowledge of the truth when it seems so abstract
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 06:34:22 pm » |
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Only by the grace of God, my friend.
You don;t have to buy what he says, but do yourself a favor and get Wright's "Simply Christian". Right now, he is probably the most respected Evangelical NT scholar in the world, and he has a wonderful heart for ministry (which is why, even though he could be in a university setting as one of the great professors in the world, he is instead doing ministry as the Bishop of Durham in the Anglican church).
You don't have to buy everything he says, but give him a chance. Plus, it would be good to read a long sustained argument for the Christian faith, rather the bits and pieces of a debate, like on this website.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 06:39:00 pm » |
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NO goodby im no longer interested in God its all aload of rubbish
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 06:40:08 pm » |
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He might not be finished with you, though.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 06:52:41 pm » |
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I have free will
freedom to reject
Ive had many things to say on this forum.
But where was the compassion shown to the blasphemer when moses stoned him to death.
What sort of God are we serving here?
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 07:10:17 pm » |
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HE used his free will to reject God's Law.
He has now sent Christ to bring grace to all manking who place their trust in him.
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