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« on: June 01, 2009, 03:21:03 pm » |
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Hi to all , and this how I see Luke 13:6-9 .
1) Jesus begins with a parable , A certain man ( our Father God ) had a fig tree planted in His vineyard . The Fig Tree is Israel . And the Father came and sought fruit thereon , and found NONE .
2) Under the ministry of John the Baptist , Israel was NOT PRODUCING any fruit and the leader of Israel rejected the counsel and were stopping people from being saved in Luke 11:52 .
3) The in v 7 , the Father says to Jesus , the dresser of His vineyard , Behold , these 3 years ( This is Christ 3 yrs, earthly Ministry ) I have come seeking fruit on this Fig Tree ( it is Israel ) and find none , and the Father says , CUT it down , why, it is just taking up SPACE .
4) In v 8 , Jesus answers the Father , Lord , let it alone this year also , till I shall dig around the tree and fertilize it . That will give Jesus earthly ministry , 4 years .
5)And in v 9 , the Father says , and if it bear fruit , good , and IF not , ( Jesus ) then after that thou shalt cut it down .
6) What is seen here is # 1 , Israel is NOT producing fruit showing that they are repented .
# 2 , the fig tree is Israel .
#3 , Before the 4 year ends , Israel will be set aside Nationally , and for the last 2000 years , Israel has been sit aside and God will begin dealing with Israel in the 7 year Tribulation .
#4 , today is the Dispensation of the Grace of God .
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NTStudent
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 04:01:27 pm » |
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I seem to remember a guy inventing this theology about 180 years ago.
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dan p
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 05:16:48 pm » |
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I seem to remember a guy inventing this theology about 180 years ago.
Hi NTStudent , this is my interpretation , but I have seen others with the same things . Looks like you have been around along time , and can you still walk ? |
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jonart
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 08:20:42 pm » |
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Welcome Dan P., Where in the Bible does it say that the world will go through a seven year tribulation? I have looked in the entire New Testament and the words "seven years" appears only once (Luke 2:36) and that has nothing to do with a seven year tribulation period.
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dan p
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 09:35:33 pm » |
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Welcome Dan P., Where in the Bible does it say that the world will go through a seven year tribulation? I have looked in the entire New Testament and the words "seven years" appears only once (Luke 2:36) and that has nothing to do with a seven year tribulation period.
Hi jonart , read Dan 9:25-27 , reveals that it is for 1 week which is a 7 year , period . |
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daniel
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 09:37:10 pm » |
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Jonart, I have looked in the entire New Testament and the words "seven years" appears only once (Luke 2:36) Try Daniel 9:27, Daniel's 70th week=7-years. Revelation 11, 12, 13 all mention 3.5 years, 1260-days and 42-months which are equal to two periods of 7-years. The problem is even if it did say seven-years, like Revelation 20 says 1000-years, people who reject a literal meaning of scripture would reject 7-years and turn it into anything they want. According to those who have an amazing ability to make and mold scripture to mean what they what it to. Jonart, I would love to hear your explanation on the 70th occurring before the 69th week, I know you wanted some time to do justice to the answer. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 09:39:23 pm » |
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According to those who have an amazing ability to make and mold scripture to mean what they what it to. Like J.N. Darby and his loyal follower, Daniel (not the prophet). Admiral and Captain Eisegesis. |
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jonart
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 12:04:12 pm » |
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Daniel, I never said the 70th week comes before the 69th week. I think you infered that based on your endtimes theology. Daniel prophesied that 70 weeks (490yrs.) to accomplish redemption (Dan. 24). When did Jesus accomplish redemption? Well, lets let Jesus speak for himself. John 19:30 Jesus says "IT IS FINISHED," In secular koine greek that means the debt is paid in full! Your argument is not with me it's with Jesus Christ. He said it Himself. Dan. 9:24 says all these things would be finished within 70 weeks. In the midst of the final (70) week He would bring an end for the need of the Jewish nation to offer sacrifices to cover their sins (Dan. 9:27). He did that judiciously by His death. And then the last half of the 70th week (3 and one half yrs.) would be the ministry of the Church (Jewish believers) to tell the nation of Israel about their Messiah (Acts 1-9). This for the most part has been the standard interpretation by the Church until 1830 when Darby changed all that by reading into the text a symbolic unspecified amount of time between the 69th and 70th week called a gap. There's no need to do that, it's very straitforward.
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jonart
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 12:24:41 pm » |
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Daniel P., I just adressed the 70th week on my blog to Daniel so read that for yourself. But I will say concerning the 42 month period (11:2,13:5), two 1,260 day periods (11:3,12:6) and the "a time and times and half a time" each add up to three and half years. Concurrently these time periods are describing the same period. Now you guys have a big problem if you count them consecutively because they add up to seventeen and one half years.
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jonart
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 12:33:46 pm » |
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Hey Daniel, If you could answer three questions I would be grateful. 1) In Dan. 9:24-27 or Revelation is the word Antichrist used? 2) How come the "prince" in Dan. 9:26 is not described as evil? 3) Is it recorded in Revelation or Dan. 9:27 that Antichrist makes and brakes a covenant with Israel?
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